ID and Dumb Twats

When you see a creationist, sorry, my mistake, an advocate of Intelligent design try and support their argument, I always find myself asking, "Is this person serious?".

You almost have to feel sorry for them. But then, they are the idiots not me. What has it come down too when the conned think that somehow they are more worthy my conning themselves even more.

Anyways, this is just going to be another rant.

Lets say for argument sakes, (I really hate that), that intelligent design did play a part in all of this. Cool. Awesome. If there is enough evidence to show it then cool. What next? Do you really think that the Intelligent designer would be the God of the Bible? or the god of the Koran? No. Not in a million years. The one thing we can all be sure about is that "Man" created god. Simple really.

If there was any evidence at for ID, it would be investigated by science, and they are, when ever they look to work something out, they ask "How" "why" "when" etc.. if there was any real hint of intelligent design, they would have jumped on it long ago. There is no conspiracy, a scientist does not look down a microscope and go "Oh feck, that could not have evolved, quickly, flush that specimen away."

If the evidence pointed towards ID, then the scientist would just be investigating it anyway, follow the evidence.

From FlyingFree333 on you tube.

This is a quick one.
From FlyingFree333 on you tube. I really like this. Made me all warm and fuzzy on the inside. Not sure if it is his, or from somone else, but I love it!!

Cheers AK.


I am the creator and the destroyer,
I am he that defines all worlds.
I bring life to the lifeless,
I rain death on all that lives.
My judgement is supreme.

I encompass all things,
I am the progenitor of good and evil.
I created sin,
I cause its every pain.
Hell is of my works.

I am the source of all gods.
I create gods on a whim,
I destroy gods with a thought.
I am man.

Seeing someone else become an atheist.

Many people can remember the point in time when they suddenly where no longer a believer, that moment when everything becomes clear, when hours of prayer, hymns and being told Jesus loves you finally no longer holds.

Some describe it as like finally getting a joke everyone else already knew the answer too, the penny drops. But it’s like that but to the power of a thousand. You almost want to stand up and yell “Eureka”.

But it is different for everyone. I clearly remember the moment I knew the truth, and that is why I say to people once an atheist, you can not go back.

The reason for today’s blog, is that last week I got too see that look in another person. It was an honour. We were sitting round, and we were talking about religion and gods and stuff and upbringings, there was one particularly religious person who has just found out I am an atheist, an openly one at that. One of the younger members, early twenties, similar background to me, asked what kind of atheist I was. I was not certain what she meant, so I simply said, “I do not believe in an afterlife, I do not believe in a god, that a god is watching over us, or that we are all born sinners etc… As I was saying this the penny dropped for her, I was saying what she already thought, but had not put it together quite like that before.

She smiled and said something to confirm my suspicion, it was quite moving. She also felt in company, it’s still a bit scorned at for being an atheist in New Zealand, so to realise she was not alone was a nice thought. She is not alone, I have discovered many at work are atheists but don’t say anything. The Christians on the other hand are loud and annoying. But until that point she did not know. And then she knew, she saw clearly. She found someone who felt the same as her and was not afraid to say it, and it was what she felt, and it was Atheism.

It made what had been a crap week, a great week.

Me and Social Media (Part Two)

Empire Avenue has been the catalyst to my going all social media. There a great bunch there, and I have met some really nice people.

When I first started on there I was “AtheistKiwi, Pretty much as I am on Blogger and You tube. But then it occurred to me that if I invest in a really religious person they might not like it. And figured they might not invest in me, I was not sure which disturbed me the most, generally I don’t let the risk of offending religious people worry me when I am wearing my Atheist Kiwi hat.

But this was Empire Ave, and I need a good score. Then a person from “Iran” Brought shares in me. While flattering, I was a bit worried. Could me silly call me old fashioned. But hey , it is the “Islamic Republic of Iran” while he did not seem to worried, I felt unhappy about it. So, I changed my name to The Thinking Kiwi. It took a lot of thought to come up with that one. But it could not end there, I had to change on Twitter and then finally face book.

But I have not toned down my content. I am still a bit loud and proud with my stand on religion.

And I refuse to change my You Tube account. So it surprises me when non atheist subscribe to me to help my EA score, god bless them.

I would never sub first, I think that’s a bit mean. Same with Facebook, I very really invite friends, for the same reason, I am hidden behind an alias, they are not, they most likely don’t want “Atheist” splattered on their profiles.

So I guess what I am saying is I am a nice atheist.

To be fair, I have not subbed to overly Religious users on Twitter because “Jesus loves you and died for our sins” tweets would just set me off. So if you are a religious tweeter who has subbed to me, but not I to you, please understand it’s for you own good.

Anyways, that’s part two. There will be more parts soon.

Cheers AK.

Me and Social Media (Part one)

I was up till a few months ago rather puzzled by this thing called Social Media. I had been to you tube, even joined so I could fav a really cool vid by klfly, he is a very clever Atheist Comedian, I recommend him. Very Funny.

I ended up subbing to others, and then leaving comments on videos of idiots and getting blocked, that was social media, apparently.

I had heard of Twitter, never been there, I had heard of Facebook, ended up there after google searches on occasion, but would never join. I like the anonymity of the internet, I like the fact no one can find me, if I sound like a miserable bastard, you may be right.

And as for this blog, I only started it because I thought I was way cool having the You Tube Channel AtheistKiwi and needed the blog to match.

Then that was about it for a few months, a couple of pointless blogs about the Bible and that’s it.

Then one Friday night, after a few beers and almost ready for bed, just checking youtube to see if this Christian person had replied with more pointless reasons to believe in god when I spotted in my subscriptions a video from Dusty, good vid maker Dusty. A lot of the time worth watching, so I watched. It was about Empire Avenue, wow, we could trade in each other. It was fun. A lot of fun, but if I wanted to do well I was going to have to become a social media person.

But I have stayed anonymous, why? Because I don’t want to be found. But, hey, I got to make friends with others, new people, a global community of like minded people.

I even started to twitter and joined face book. I have now started to flickr, which is great because I have thousands of photos to post.

So far I have about 50 new friends on Face book and 141 followers on Twitter and even my you tube subs has passed 20. And I have got to do something I really love, and that is write. I used to write a lot, I have journals full of crap. I read back sometimes, if I can cope with the cringe, I have tons of letters I wrote to my mother when I was travelling overseas, she lent them back to me a few months after I got back, I have been to chicken to read them. It’s been 20 plus years, I will get round to it one day, before the insects eat them.

Well that’s part one, I will write part two in the next few days, a bit rough, but hey, it’s about traffic and activity on Empire Ave.

Yay, another blog.

AK

Blog Update

Hey Hey all
I had hoped to do 1 or 2 blogs a day, but today was mad. I will attempt to doone latter. Also I want to blog NZ stuff. After all I am in NZ. But I will warn readers with NZ Stuff in the title.

That's it really, and oh yeah, go join www.EmpireAvenue.com if you have not already !!!!



Cheers AK

If god loves us, why do bad things happen?

One of the things many atheists talk about, and I am sure I have mentioned it myself, is the way a theist believes that if they ignore what you said then it will go away. Well it does not.

They believe that if they say something then that’s it. Like for example I am currently debating a Christian who gets grumpy when ever I mention science, he keeps telling me that religion and science are compatible and showing what science has done does not mean anything.

My reasoning is this: If god did make everything, and he loves us so much, why do we have illness like cancer, mumps, scarlet fever etc….

Now to my reckoning many cancers are now curable and treatable, not because of prayer, not because of miracles, but because of medical science.

Our life expectancy has doubled, not because we attend church, but because we go to a doctor when we are unwell. I have been very ill in the past (actually several times), I now take regular medication to treat my illness, so that I can have quality of life. If I had got this 100 years ago, I would have had a very different outcome. I may not have died, but my quality of life would be dismal. A 1000 years ago, I dare not imagine.

If we had had the treatment just 60 years ago that we have today, both my grand fathers would have lived long enough for me to meet them.

I know my “If god loves us why do bad things happen” is a very simplistic argument for no god, and is even raised by the youngest of children, but it is a bloody good one. I have heard many many reasons as to why god does this, but I am afraid they are all mental answers. Cop outs, quick excuses that are meaningless. Convenient passages in the bible. Lots of those.

Science and reasoned investigation has given us the quality of life many of us enjoy. The most religious countries are the ones that have more disease, poor quality of life, lack of education and a lot of corruption.

I know I am not the first to say any of this, many others have and will continue too, lets hope that one day the religious listen, and realise there simply is no god, we are all alone, there is no after life, this is the only life you get, and thanks to science and geographic location, it’s now twice as long as your great, great, great, great grand uncles and aunties.

Another rant over, I feel better.

Love, the gift from god, WTF???

An argument I have heard many times for god and one that I have also come across in debates with theists, is that love is from god, and without god there would be no love, and we do have love, therefore there must be a god.

One person even thought he was making some kind of sarcastic point, maybe even a strawman, I don’t know, when he asked me if I say to my wife on Valentines Day, “Darling I have a strong chemical reaction in side my head for you”. I told him he was actually right, and if he goes and studies the links he will find that much research agrees with him. He did not take that too well can continued to argue that love was from god.

Even when shown clear evidence that love, be it for a lover, or a family member for a stranger or for a member of a different species, is a chemical process, and was probably a big factor in evolution that allowed us to develop into what we are today.

Even with plain clear evidence, a theist will not drop a silly argument for god. Love has allowed us to form groupings, both family and of friends. That grouping allows survival, achievement and for successful outcomes that benefit the whole group.

Ever lost a close pet? man that hurts, and can make a grown man cry. It’s from a bond we form with the animal, a kind of love. Why the f*ck would an all powerful being want me to have such a strong bond with a cat, only so I hurt when it dies. No, the bond is there so that the cat will provide company, catch mice, and hurl fur balls on the kitchen floor and I will feed it and give it somewhere to sleep for 22 hours a day. We both benefit from that bond, though replacement cat might not draw tears when he dies. The new cat (had it four years now) is mean, it bites, attacks and has even been known to head butt you if you move him off his favourite chair so you can sit there.

Well anyways, love is NOT a gift from god, it’s a chemical process that evolved along with us. Feckn closed minded idiots.

“Where did love come from”, “Huh, you don’t know”, “So it must have come from god”.
“Yes, I do f*cken know, and no it did not come from god, now fuck off”

I am glad I got that off my chest.

AK

The Chilian Miners Rescue

Just a quick one.

It has been interesting following the debate about god’s role in this on Twitter.

One Miner has twitted that there was not 33, but 34 down the mine, because god never left them. My first reaction to this was, "I hope they left him down there".

I think over the following weeks the Theists and the Atheists are going to get a lot of mileage off this one.

The reality is, engineers, Nasa experts, many many different experts in different areas of knowledge and a lot of Chilean currency rescued these men, and putting it on god is really sad and disrespectful.
Six men put their own lives in danger to go down the shaft to be with the miners during the rescue.

Any ways, I am sure the reader understands what I mean.

If god is so wonderful, why did he not save the other 30 plus minors who have died in Chilean mines in the past year?

Fortunately a growing number of people worldwide know the answer to that one.

And another post goes live.

Viva Empire Avenue.

AK

Definitions

One of the major issues when theists attempt to dismiss the arguments of Atheists is that of definitions.

Atheism for a start is one of contention.

This is something many debaters of Christians have struggled with. Some Christians have the misconception that it is a world view, in similar way communism, or indeed Christianity, can be seen as a world view.

With these two examples comes whole works of doctrine and teachings. Even within these world views there is a huge canyon of disagreement on what is and what is not, part of that world view.

For example the creation myth, some Christians fully believe that the world is around 6000 years old and evolution is wrong. Then there are others who are fine with evolution and a 4 billion plus yr old earth.

The inner working of a world view can be debated and discussed.

To keep things clear many atheistic debaters have resolved this problem with a simple defamation of Atheism:

“Atheism is a rejection of a claim, the claim being that there is a god or gods.”

This is a good definition; it’s clear and to the point. So why are there problems otherwise.


Here is the definition from : www.dictionary.com

“One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.”

So what is wrong with this definition?

It’s the use of the word deny. Dictionary.com has 8 definitions for the word deny. See below. 7 of them are very similar. 1 is not.

Christians tend to jump on the most common use definition of deny, which is to deny someone something, or hold back on making it available: e.g. deny an employee a pay raise. A pay rise is possible, it’s just being denied. Parents not letting a child have an ice cream. The ice cream is there, the child is simply not allowed it. And it is here that Christians mess up, they think that because Atheists deny god, that is evidence for existence, in the same way ice cream exists, the child just is denied it, or a person on a diet may deny themselves a hamburger. The hamburger is there, they are just denying it to themselves, and that, sadly, is how most theists see this definition of Atheism. Whereas the first definition of deny is clearly what Atheists mean. “to state that (something declared or believed to be true) is not true”.

And that is the problem with Christian’s belief that our denial is somehow proof. It is not. Simple English. This is why it is important to not use the word ‘deny’, unless you are prepared to educate theists on its many meanings.


1.
to state that (something declared or believed to be true) is not true: to deny an accusation.
2.
to refuse to agree or accede to: to deny a petition.
3.
to withhold the possession, use, or enjoyment of: to deny access to secret information.
4.
to withhold something from, or refuse to grant a request of: to deny a beggar.
5.
to refuse to recognize or acknowledge; disown; disavow; repudiate: to deny one's gods.
6.
to withhold (someone) from accessibility to a visitor: The secretary denied his employer to all those without appointments.
7.
Obsolete . to refuse to take or accept.
—Idiom
8.
deny oneself, to refrain from satisfying one's desires or needs; practice self-denial.

A UFO sighting.

Ok, I know, two posts in one day.

I am going to relate an experince I had back in the late 80s.
A friend and I were driving back to or small town from the city after having been at the cinima, can not remember what we saw, does not matter.

We pulled off a long country road on to another long country road that run towards the coast. In the distance we could see the flashing light of an aircraft, maybe out over the ocean. As we drove towards the coast the aircraft appeard to be heading towards us.
It was then heading towards us very fast. It shot by very high and very fast. I stopped quickly and we both got out to see if we could spot the aircraft.

To our minds we had seen a high altitude aircraft heading at an extremely fast speed head from the coast, towards us and then past.

We both stood on each side of the car stareing at an arcing electric fence about 30 metres behind the car and up on a bank.

There was silence for awhile, and then my friend said "That was fucken freaky".

So why raise this, well simple, if we had chosen not to stop, instead driving on, we would have seen or fast aircraft disappearing in the mirror. And we would have wondered what on earth was travelling so fast and so high.

Instead we investigated. And a simple explanation was found for what we saw.

Without an explanation, our perception of what we saw would have been so far off as to be rediculas.

Cheers AK.

Quick Update

I was going to do a big rant, but then not much point, I still pretty good about last weeks one.

So, a quick update. Empire Avenue is going well. I am on there as (e)Kiwi.

Saw a great video on "Openmindedness" I must admit it answered a few questions for me around why some of the christians I debate with think they are openminded and I ain't.
Check it out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI well worth the time.

I have a couple of unfinished blogs to finish and post, one is on the word "Deny" this is an interesting word because it almost has two distinct meanings. Another is on my Catholic upbringing. My very happy, non-molested, very wonderful experience with the Catholic Church.

Thats about it, I have been off work with a cold, hopefully back tommorow, also, the dam speel check on my Firefox is not working. So sorry for all the spealling mestakes.

All the best AK

Identity Crisis??

First it was on EA and now on Twitter. Yes I have changed my Names. On EmpireAvenue I am now e(Kiwi) The Thinking Kiwi. And on Twitter, I am not EA_Kiwi. The EA of course stands for “Evil Atheist”.

So why the change?

Simple, I am now following and investing in people not from the Atheist Community. And while an Atheist, I am not just an Atheist, I am also a lot of other things. I am slightly over weight, in denial about some things, have bad taste in clothing and drive an old car, not old enough to be cool, but not new enough to look good.

Anyway, my point is, as much as I do not like Religion being stuff down peoples throats, I do not think I should stuff my non religion down peoples throats.

You Tube and Blog Spot are safe, if people visit these sites, they can expect an Atheist.

So, I hope that has sorted out any identity issues.

I am going to be bogging non religious stuff soon, but I will keep that on here.

Random Thoughts

Ok, I need to write something, not sure what. So, I am just going to hit keys and see what comes out.

I have been an atheist for about three, maybe four years now. Lately the more interesting thing I have noticed is how "Church Aware" I have become. IF anyone being interviewed on the radio or tv or in a Mag happens to mention Religion, I notice fast. I am sure I notice now more than I used too, that, or people really are talking about it more.

In the last 6 months since being on You Tube I have had the pleasure to enter into debate with several Christians. Some, just out right block the moment you say something they don't like, or more likely something that shows what a load of crap they are spewing.

It has been quite and education in debating, you really do need to be careful what you say. It seems that while most are happy to make wild assertions about who/what did this or that, and that no the bible does not really mean that, you are taking i out of context, the moment you say anything, unless you have fully verified what you said with at least 30 links and/or books references there is no way you can have a point. So, you really do need to say weather you are putting across an opinion or something you know as a fact.

Facts are another great thing, to some, if it is in the bible it's a fact. I mean how dumb is that. Is it not that obvious if someone is making it clear that they are an atheist then there is little point in quoting the bible, because, for me anyway, the bible is really just garbage, and hard to believe anyone actually reads it, let alone goes and pays large amounts of money to study it in bible school.

And unless you can prove that you have also attended a bible study college then you can not possibly understand the meaning of the bible. That is puzzling. Because when it says "Sarahrah took a sharp stone and cut off her son's foreskin and waved it in front of her husbands feet so God would spare Moses's life" (In Exodus) How can you see that as anything other than child mutilation to please God. I mean how the heck could you see that and come up with, "No, that is Gods way of showing how much his Son Jesus will love you" WTF??

And that is another thing that really gets up my goat, this disowning the God of the Old Testament when it suits. I am sorry but that God is one third of the God you pray too. The same one Muslims call Allah, man, how fast they claim NO, Allah is not the same god, well kick me with an ass (not a talking one please), it is. Very clearly is.

Which kinds of takes me on a circle back to where I started this ramble, it's amazing what Christians will disregard/ignore in an attempt to believe. And Straw man arguments, are they nuts, how do they have the stupidity to use them. Though to be sure I can pick them a lot quicker now than I used to. Easily recognised by the "WTF", ""How did you get that from what I said" feeling that runs up your back just as you are about to try and back up the stupid straw man they just tore down.

Straw man is not clever, it's dumb, why can't they see that?

I could go on for ages, but I wont, it's nice to get a bit of my chest ever now and then.

I have run out of steam. I will do this again soon. Just write what ever comes to mind. This is my blog, I can say what I like, and don't need any freak-en evidence to back it up.

Thanks AK.

Blog Update

Ok, been a few weeks, and the last post, hardly a good'n I am working on another blog on definitions, so watch for that.

I am working on my first You Tube Video, OK, I have been working on it for several months. I will get there.

Brain washing of the masses.

A growing trend, and one that certainly has roots with Dawkins, Hicthens, Harris etc... is a lumping of moderates into the same camp as the fundamentalists of their chosen faith. Why do this?

I obviously can not speak for others. But from my own point of view it's this:

Anyone who believes in an imaginary friend who is watching over them, and can do this while completely disregarding the inaccuracies, the contradictions, cruelty and down right silliness of their religious texts is a bit loopy. They are disconnected and not living in the real world.

I know that a lot of these people are harmless, doing no one harm, and in fact are helping a lot of people along the way. So why is this a problem for me, simply because I know they can do good without believing in a god. And do it in the real world.

Basically the need for religion and religious teaching is in the past. We get our morals from being educated, from being part of a working civilization. We do not harm others because we would not wish this on anyone we love or ourselves. This is what makes us who we are. We can go beyond just our family grouping to help others.

We should celebrate this wonderful instinct that is in most of us, I say most, because there are some genuine nut jobs.

Also I have lived within the confounds of a religious bound mind, completely unaware of the restraints this put on me. After the 27 years it took from when I first questioned the role of religion to when I realised there simply was no god, I still had problems with blasphemy and guilt. Yes, even as an atheist the indoctrination I had received was still at play in my mind. It really is that strong.

Many atheists reports this, I take comfort when I see this. Even though I rejected the claim for a god, and become an Atheist, I still had the brainwashing that went with it, at a guess I would say that took 2 years to clear, and a lot of reading. That being books by Harris, Dawkins and others as well as the bible.

I had to deprogram myself. I know that sounds kind of strange, but the truth is you can program your own mind. Its not actually that hard. Many training courses rely on this ability to get a message across to there trainees.

A few years back I was a forecourt attendant for a major fuel company, I did the night shift, and as such was at risk of being robbed, even worse, being robbed at gunpoint. So we were all sent on a course. On this course the simplest thing we were taught was to over the following 3 weeks say to our selves each day three to five times a day, "I survive armed robberies" and repeat it 15 times over and over.

The reason for this is when we are confronted with a new situation I brains try to find something with in them to guide us. It's an automatic response. So when a person walks into the store and points a gun at you the first thing your mind does is say "it's an armed robbery" and the brains automatic response is to say "I survive armed robberies" thereby putting you at ease right from the start.

To be fair, I never got this put into play. Which actually is a good thing, as I do not know if I would indeed survive an armed robbery. However, there is more.

While armed robberies were not a major for me, leaving the keys in my car was. Many times I would get out of my car and lock it with the keys still in the ignition. This plagued me for years. So with my new found brain programing I said to my self 15 times, 3 to 4 times a day for 3 weeks "when I leave the car I take the keys with me". I did this, It has been 15 years since I left my keys in the ignition. The power of brain programing is real, very, scary real.

So that is were the power of prey comes in. Calculate how many times you said the lord's prayer over the years. No wonder you believe. Sad but true, it really is just brain programing.

So why do I lump moderates in with fundies, actually its the other way round for me, I lump fundies in with the moderates. They are all being conned, a con that was so good, that it is still going on thousands of years after it was set up. So good that those sucked in think they are somehow even more special by making the brain programing even more effective.

Living in the real world is one of the treats of being an atheist. It is pure and wonderful. It is real. and I did not have to repeat this 15 times, 3 -5 times a day for 3 weeks to see the pure world. I just had to deprogram the "My father, who is in heaven, holy be thy name"

Peace V

AK

Born an Atheist

Often I read a criticism aimed at Christians who proclaim to once have been an Atheist and now they have found god that they were never really an atheist. Kirk Cameron the banana man's side kick is a classic example.

Now as an atheist who claims to have once been a Christian, it would be easy to claim I was never really a Christian. Now by all accounts I know I was one. Very much so.

So lets investigate the "they were never really an atheist." claim.

By default we are all born Atheists, we then are raised in our nice christian family, going to church and being told how lucky we are that Jesus loves us etc....

But what about the child not born into a religious household. How legit is their claim on Atheism?
In the USA they are currently debating the use of "in god we trust" on currency and in the court system. And the use of God in the President's pledge.

Here in New Zealand, while we are officially a secular state, (I need to confirm this) religion and god is everywhere. The first word of our national anthem is "God". In fact the whole anthem is really a prayer.

So our child from a non religious family is, from birth, being indoctrinated whether their parents are aware of it or not. Go to girl guides or scouts, and god is right there. Funerals and weddings, god is there, though there is a definite increase in non secular funerals and weddings, but even at secular events, god will creep in.

In popular media, god is mentioned all the time, in the most subliminal ways, I wonder if the journalist even knows they are doing it. I was reading an article on mobile phone companies in New Zealand and at one point the journalist asks something along the lines of "Are they really aware of the pressure of the competition that is coming, god help them if they don't".

You see so much more when the Christian goggles are taken off.

The Govenrment will perform prayer at the drop of a hat, be it a new government building, a new manager, a new vision statement and anything else they can think of.

My daughter, who is now 7 and only been in a church twice, once for a funeral and once for a school Palm Sunday service even has the god fundamentals down pat. She knows enough about god to be able to pray when she wants something to happen her way. It was not from me, or her mother, we do not practice Christianity of any type, though we are not over the top atheists at home either, in fact we are way too moderate. But I know that the best thing I can do, is what my lovely christian mother taught me to do, teach her to question everything and believe nothing without evidence.

My mother was the first christian apologist in my life, and I never knew it. She had a lot of hard questions to answer.

So was our new found christian really an Atheist? Unless raised in an evangelical atheist house, probably not.

I will return to this one again sometime, I think it is a really interesting topic.

In the worhsip of Thor

I have been researching Thor.

What a great God, awesome God. I need to read more.

So what happened to Thor? Christianity. That's what. He was not proven to not exist, we still see his will in thunder. In fact, I am thinking the reason for the increase in electrical storms is because Thor is pissed off we don't have temples to him anymore.

From about the 8th century onwards Christians started to move into Northern Europe. This was an area of Germanic Pagan religion. Where the likes of Thor, Wotan and Frey where worshiped.

Real Gods.

How did we loose them, fundamentalism.

The Christians started to build churches and once they had established themselves they went about converting the locals, and what better way to do that than to destroy the things that represented Thor, they destroyed Temples and Statues and even cut down an ancient oak known as Thor's Oak, so who did these atrocities? Well Saint Boniface cut down the tree, and Saint Olaf had a thing for destroying statues. Oh, blessed are the Saints.

Well fuck them, I am so pissed at this, all through my study in History all I have seen is reference after reference to things destroyed by Christians, the library of Alexandria, the Inca and Mayan scriptures, the Easter Island Tablets, and now I learn about Thor among many many more.

The more I learn about Christianity the more I feel repulsed by it.

If Jesus did return, I think I would crucify the bastard again myself. Though, hang on, it was not Jesus, it was his dumb ass followers.

There is a question that often goes around, "If you could go back in time and kill someone who would it be", most often the answer is "Hitler". For me it would be sweet baby Jesus, 'cause look at all the shit that has been done in his name, then again Jesus more than likely did not exist. Who am I kidding, if not Jesus, some other drop kick would have been worshiped in his place, there was no shortage of nut jobs claiming to be messiahs or prophets at that time.

Anyway, getting back to Thor. He rocked, while I am still to confirm it, he did not wipe out cities, or cause plagues or demand child mutilation in the worship of him.

I like Thor, I really do, I think if I ever start to believe in a God again, it will be Thor.


Note: 18-06-2010
Thor has made it known he is seriously had enough of Christianity by destroying a 6 stories high statue of Jesus in the USA. Go Thor!!!!


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References:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianization_of_Scandinavia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor's_Oak
http://www.netaxs.com/~trance/rongo2.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Alexandria

Douay Rheims Version

Hey, cool I have settled on a version to read, unfortunately to buy its going to cost about US$50 which is about NZ$90 or so. So I am reading it from a TXT download. It has way more books than the NIV or KJV so makes for a wider perspective, I think I might do a blog post on the history of the bible, though if you google history of bible you will get an amazing amount of contradictory versions of the history, some are way out in the left field.

Found a new website, http://www.carm.org oh I wish they had a comment section after their verse explanations.

I might include some of their explanations in later blogs, very funny and often avoiding the point.

I looked at their explanation of Cains wife. It was his sister, apparently, which make no sense becasue the bible does not say Adam begat Cain, Able, and Molly. It clearly shows that after Cain killed Able it was 130 years before Adam new his wife eve again, a bloody long time to go without a bonk if you ask me. And that is when he begat Seth, after Seth he begat many sons and daughters.

righto then, off to read more bible.

Which Version

I have been reading the Good News Version, I am up to Exodus 27.

I decided to go and have a gander at other versions. There is a big difference.

Gen 4:16 From Douay-Rheims
And Cain went out from the face of the Lord, and dwelt as a fugitive on the earth at the east side of Eden.

And from King James Version
And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

From the Good News Version
And Cain went away from the Lord's presence and lived in a land called "Wandering," which is east of Eden.

See the issue here?

KJV is the coolest, I mean, who would not want to go to the land of nod.


Anyways, which version? I guess I will just keep reading the good news version, I own 2 copies. Why buy another.

Basically the bible is just too stupid for words.

You Tube

What a nightmare of a place. Great place to go and play. But for someone like me, it got a bit much.

I am referring to the Religious corner of course, 300 million users, and in one corner maybe 250,000 loud Atheist, Christians and Muslims. I guess maybe more.

The Atheists, as a rule take themselves way to seriously, but what makes me laugh is that they are so shocked when they discover they don't all agree on everything.

The good ones are NonStampCollector, 1god1jesus (also stripyhead) and atheistAussie, anyone would think I like Australians, struth, no way. Also HairyReasoner, great guy and Tenneral is brilliant.

The only others really worth listening to are philhellenes and PatCondell.

The rest I subscribed to are good also, but those I have mentioned deliver really good stuff, have a bit more pep to it. Claire and her Fatassed cats also deserve a mention, love "coffee with Claire".

Well that's my rant for tonight, I am stepping back from You Tube. Going to concentrate on reading the bible and writing this blog. And go to you tube for a Laugh.

The Bible

Wow, I am reading the bible, I know, what's an Atheist doing reading the bible? Actually all Christians should read it, then we may not have so many.

So here is my take on the bible so far.

Genesis: Nice creation myth, not as cool at the Maori creation myth.
Actually it's really fucked up, first we have light before the sun and stars, then he makes animals and man, and then man and animals. Gen:1 and Gen:2 are clearly two similar but different creation myths brought together. Gen:3 The talking snake, not the devil or Satan, but a talking snake, and Eve with a lie from god, yes folks, god is a liar, he apparently told Eve she would die if she eats the fruit. She doesn't.

I could really go on and on, it is so bad. Where did god live before he created heaven?
It never really gets any better, he certainly does not appear to be a loving caring god.

It makes no sense all the time, in Genesis Cain is sent out to fend for himself, he tells god he is worried the people will hurt him, a slight problem here, according the bible, there is currently a population of three. Cain and his parents, since Cain killed Able.


Things I have learned:

If some stranger comes into your town and tells you the woman with him is his sister…..

Do not believe him. HE IS LYING !!!! It’s a trick.

Send him and his wife away fast or you will feel the wraith of god.


If God tells you that he will bliss you with thousands of descendants and he shall bless them and make them prosper and be kings of nations….

He says that to all the boys!!!

Things I would like to know:

What the freck is the "Land of Nod"?

Where the heck did the Nephilim come from?

I have a blog, very cool

This is an extension of my You Tube Channel.

Thanks for dropping by, not sure if I will use this much, but do check back from time to time.